Curse

therangereminem · Dec 15, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

ok we all know pets dont leave corspes now. with this why do shouts and thing stillget triggered by them. if your going to make them not have corspes. then they should not triiger shouts and chants.

i would like to see a vote on this.
pets dont trigger , or bring back pets cropses

ps yes this is tryign to nerf iway(which is the dumbest build ever)

thedeadlyassassin · Dec 15, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

So to fix a nerf you want to nerf them even more?

/notsigned

my2cent · Dec 15, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

if its a bug then fix it, if not leave it as it is. /sign

willypiggy · Dec 15, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

They are allies are they not? They are dead are they not? Then why should the skill not work? Iway is hardly stupid, Have you ever made a build which is that popular in HA? No, I didn't think so, the stupid thing is that pets dont leave exploitable corpses, it would make a hell of a lot more sense.

gremlin · Dec 15, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

They do not leave corpses because of a pvp problem, or so I am told.

My views on this I have stated many times, if its a pvp problem then fix it in pvp if its a pve problem then fix it in pve otherwise every nerf annoys your customer base. "well most of the nerfs do"

As an admittedly computer code ignorent end user I just don't see why local conditions cannot be set up for the pvp areas where such rules can be implemented.

I believe the game should have a certain logicallity "is that a word" even though it is a fantasy game.
Pets die pets leave corpses its logical, should they be exploitable, well they used to be but thats not a good enough reason.

Wild creatures do even animated plants do and my Moa is more intelligent than a plant so imo yes they should.
They can also bleed be poisoned or diseased like any oither creature.

Only problem I have in game is the pets strange behaviour, once summoned you need to keep the summon skill on the bar, where it remains never used and taking a skill slot.
You also need specialised res skills also odd if they are just flesh and blood.

I have to assume that pets never die they just go to wherever they are when the ranger doesnt have summon set as a skill.
Then the ranger "summons" them back, repeated summons cause an effect akin to dp.

Ok I have rationalised it in my own mind, Still think its easier to let them leave an exploitable corpse except in pvp but hey Im not anet.

william1975 · Dec 15, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37

unfrtunatley the way i see this is that a silly nerf is to be adapted with a rediculous nerf. bad enough they dont leave a corpse, now you don;t want them triggereing shouts etc?

/unsigned

Tyla · Dec 15, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

ps yes this is tryign to nerf iway(which is the dumbest build ever)

ps iway is easy enough to beat...
/notsigned

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Originally Posted by willypiggy

They are allies are they not? They are dead are they not? Then why should the skill not work? Iway is hardly stupid, Have you ever made a build which is that popular in HA? No, I didn't think so, the stupid thing is that pets dont leave exploitable corpses, it would make a hell of a lot more sense.

Iway is hardly stupid?
"LF 5 warriors who can spam skills, 1 ranger whose only purpose is to spam spirits behind a wall and trap melee"
couldn't see anything fittin for the paragon except "I can kite and heal", i dont monk anyway.

Tatile · Dec 15, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

What I'd like to know, as we are talking about the pet-corpse thing here, is if a pet doesn't leave a corpse that implies it has no sort of flesh to speak of. In game mechanics, non-fleshy creatures cannot be affected by bleeding, poison and a host of other conditions I can't be bothered to think of now.
So therefore, it's reasonable to assume that pets should not be affected by these conditions as non-fleshy creatures (which leave unexploitable corpses, as pets do) are not affected.

Of course, this is based entirely on PvE point of view (I don't wish to insult the PvP community by trying to join their ranks, PvP is certainly not my forte).

Opinions? Flames? Reading my post yet? No? Thought not, it's a bit long isn't it?

Hanok Odbrook · Dec 15, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Well, first of all, the proper terminology is "asininepetcorpsenerf" - sort of like it being "Damnyankee" in the southern US and not just "Yankee." But that being aside, to suggest a further nerf in answer to a nonsensical nerf (in terms of PvE mind you), doesn't make much sense either.

Tatile brings up a good point. To add to that point, why are only player pets affected? Monster pets still are expoitable, which makes even less sense than the question of fleshy conditions. This is one nerf that Anet really needs to rethink - it makes no sense within the parameters of the game world and makes no sense in regards to consistency within the world.

*sound of very large ball dropping*

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Phoenix Tears · Dec 15, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

just give them corpses back ..end of story ...the change of taking pets their corpses away shows only, that anet was too dumb to find a better solution about an other problem ..so they have simpley ignored their game concept of realism ...

what will follow next...that players also don't give any corpses anymore ? bye bye death necro then .... >.<

just a braindead change, that needs to be changed back to normal

Made In Ascalon · Dec 15, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Tatile

What I'd like to know, as we are talking about the pet-corpse thing here, is if a pet doesn't leave a corpse that implies it has no sort of flesh to speak of. In game mechanics, non-fleshy creatures cannot be affected by bleeding, poison and a host of other conditions I can't be bothered to think of now.
So therefore, it's reasonable to assume that pets should not be affected by these conditions as non-fleshy creatures (which leave unexploitable corpses, as pets do) are not affected.

Of course, this is based entirely on PvE point of view (I don't wish to insult the PvP community by trying to join their ranks, PvP is certainly not my forte).

Opinions? Flames? Reading my post yet? No? Thought not, it's a bit long isn't it?

Your argument is moot considering that pets aren't non-fleshy creatures in the first place. The nerf was entirely for PvP (although not really needed) and doesn't really affect PvE, so it's not that outrageous.

Although, it makes me kind of happy to know that they don't try to tip-toe around PvP balance in order to have skills "make sense". Much unlike WoW.

Tatile · Dec 15, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Made In Ascalon

Your argument is moot considering that pets aren't non-fleshy creatures in the first place. The nerf was entirely for PvP (although not really needed) and doesn't really affect PvE, so it's not that outrageous.

Although, it makes me kind of happy to know that they don't try to tip-toe around PvP balance in order to have skills "make sense". Much unlike WoW.

Not so much an argument, as my form of observation and discussion, but I see your point. I just found it highly interesting the way the pet-corpse "adjustment" worked in relation to the "in-game logic" (yeah, the very idea of that makes me laugh), that a creature should be affected as if it were fleshy, then die as if it were not. Then again my thought process works rather... interestingly.

CHunterX · Dec 15, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

If you were to use a Well on a dead teammate, and then shout, say, IWAY, you would still get the effect. It isn't a bug.
/notsigned

Biostem · Dec 15, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

I look at it this way - you should have to "work" for your corpses in order to raise minions, etc. Because of the way pets were done previously, it was basically a free corpse.

Now, I can't speak for what is or is not a correct play style, but to me the purpose of a pet is not to provide free corpses. As such, it seems the ANet decided that this practice wasn't acceptable either, and so eliminated that ability.

Since its implementation, I just write it off as your party not being able to, or not being willing to, exploit your own pets' corpses. Of course, given that you *can* exploit teammates' corpses makes this questionable at best.

I think a better option would be to put a timer on how often your pet can be used for corpse-related skills - maybe 2 times per minute or so - that would allow "legitimate" use of the pet's corpse and avoid over-exploitation of it.

On the flip side, another option would be to make the pet more useful overall - thus increasing the desire to actually use it for its original purpose...

Woop Shotty · Dec 15, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

I wasn't aware that IWAY was a build. Does that mean that I can fill the other 7 skill slots with another build?

creelie · Dec 15, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

If Anet really wanted people to use live pets in PvP, they would make Charm Animal double as a 5 energy, 2 second res with a 5 second recharge.

Rinadan Farhunt · Dec 15, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Woop Shotty

I wasn't aware that IWAY was a build. Does that mean that I can fill the other 7 skill slots with another build?

IWAY has been around pretty much since the beginning.

Woop Shotty · Dec 15, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Tell me something I don't know.